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== July 2019: When and how vs. how and when (edit request) ==
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{{moved from|Template talk:Ambox}}
The current text of the last sentence of the template reads "Learn how and when to remove this template message." I propose switching the "how" and the "when", giving us "Learn when and how to remove this template message."

It not only sounds cleaner but also has more usage. Thoughts?

[[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 18:00, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|14px|link=|alt=]] {{Small|1='''Bumping thread'''. [[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)}}<!-- [[Template:Bump]] --><!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 23:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC) -->{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|1549148679}} [[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|14px|link=|alt=]] {{Small|1='''Bumping thread'''. [[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 17:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)}}<!-- [[Template:Bump]] --><!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 17:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC) -->{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|1550339224}}
:{{ping|CampWood}} I moved this to a better forum and added the request template to attract editors. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 18:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable (the current text seems rather awkward); if there is no objection I'll do it in a couple of days. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 17:29, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
::I dunno, what's so awkward about it?  It seems fine to me.  I'm curious where the more usage comes from; google turns up 7.6M results for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Learn+how+and+when%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22Learn+how+and+when%22+-wikipedia "learn how and when"] but only 240k for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Learn+when+and+how%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22Learn+when+and+how%22+-wikipedia "learn when and how"].  Likewise, I get 71.2M results for just [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+and+when%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22how+and+when%22+-wikipedia "how and when"] over 55.4M for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22when+and+how%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22when+and+how%22+-wikipedia "when and how"].  Not an exact science, to be sure, but that suggests to me that the current language is the more common. ~  <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 01:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

::: {{ping|Amory}}: Huh, I get 75.5M results for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+and+when%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22how+and+when%22+-wikipedia "how and when"] and 105M for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22when+and+how%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22when+and+how%22+-wikipedia "when and how"]. [[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 15:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

:{{notdone}} {{ping|CampWood}} please establish a consensus for the change here, then reactivate the edit request if warranted. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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All right. The phrase "when and how" is not only more natural than its reciprocal (if you will), [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=when+and+how%2Chow+and+when&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1750&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=5&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwhen%20and%20how%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwhen%20and%20how%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhen%20and%20how%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BWhen%20and%20How%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Chow%20and%20when%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bhow%20and%20when%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BHow%20and%20when%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BHow%20and%20When%3B%2Cc0 it's also more common]. It doesn't matter ''how'' you do something unless you know that you want to do it! In other words, you'd want to find out ''when'' to do something before you find out ''how'' to do it; the word order should reflect that. So, who's with me? Let's establish some consensus!

[[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

* '''Support.''' [[User:CampWood|CampWood]] ([[User talk:CampWood|talk]]) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support.''' --[[User:Obsuser|Obsuser]] ([[User talk:Obsuser|talk]]) 15:33, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

== Edit request 13 February 2019 ==

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Please copy over the contents of [[Module:Message box/sandbox]]. I have made an edit there which implements the demospace feature documented at [[Template:Mbox]]. Testcases can be found at its testcases page: [[Template:Mbox/testcases]]. [[User:Danski454|Danski454]] ([[User talk:Danski454|talk]]) 20:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:A little more background please. Is this feature currently not working? Did it previously work and you are fixing it? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|MSGJ}} The <code>demospace</code> parameter was removed from the module by {{U|Mr. Stradivarius}} in a sandbox edit in July 2014, which was copied over with several other changes in November 2014. I cannot find any further explanation for the changes, but the feature still appears in the documentation of {{tl|mbox}} and is used by the documentation of templates like {{tl|notice}}. The proposed edits readd the parameter. [[User:Danski454|Danski454]] ([[User talk:Danski454|talk]]) 17:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
:::I can't remember why I removed it from the sandbox. I suppose it must have made sense at the time, but it looks like it deployed either by accident or without any discussion, so I'm fine with reinstating it. I wonder how many places still use it? — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr.&nbsp;Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪&nbsp;talk&nbsp;♪]]</sup> 14:30, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
::::No further comments so {{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== Making a small box with a custom width ==

I'm interested in making a small message box that's wider than the normal small box (to keep [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Title_notice/sandbox&oldid=952723396 this] from going onto three or four lines for pages with longer titles). Is there a way to do this, or could a parameter be introduced to allow for it? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 19:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Sdkb}} See [[Special:Diff/952939847]]. It is possible, but making it too wide can cause problems in smaller screens. [[User:Ahmad252|Ahmad]]<sup>[[User Talk:Ahmad252|talk]]</sup>  21:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
::Have you looked at the documentation for {{tl|Ombox}} or {{tl|Ambox}}? You can set a width using {{para|style}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Ahmad252|Jonesey95}} Oops, I was overthinking that by a mile haha. I did look at the {{tl|Ambox}} documentation but wasn't able to figure it out. I'll update it to help those confused in the future. Thanks for the help! <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 21:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{re|Ahmad252|Jonesey95}} sorry for my terrible HTML, but I just spent 15 minutes fiddling with min-content/max-width/etc. and couldn't figure this out: how do I set the box so that it adapts flexibly to the width of the text (so that there's no big margin on the right), and wraps onto a second line only if the reader's screen is too small for it to fit? max-width seems to solve the second part, but I have no clue about the first. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::Unfortunately, I don't know how this can be done. As far as I know, <code><nowiki>display: inline-block</nowiki></code> is supposed to do it, but given that there is already a <code>width</code> set in the module's default style, it still sets width to 238px (the default number) unless we can completely remove <code>width</code>. Maybe I'm missing something. [[User:Ahmad252|Ahmad]]<sup>[[User Talk:Ahmad252|talk]]</sup>  00:26, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|BrandonXLF}} this seems like something you might know how to fix? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 20:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Sdkb}}, do you want it like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Title_notice/sandbox&oldid=953147888 this]? <span class="nowrap">– [[User:BrandonXLF|<span style="color:blue;">Brandon</span><span style="color:green;">XLF</span>]] ([[User talk:BrandonXLF|talk]])</span> 22:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|BrandonXLF}} Yes! Thank you as always for your techno-wizardry! <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 23:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

== Talk should not be hidden in small boxes ==

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The behavior that using a small box hides the talk link is pretty unintuitive, especially given the convention that many problem boxes (say, {{tlx|disputed section}}) are supposed to come with a talk link for discussion of a fix. Please perform the following edits:

# Replace {{code|if (self.talk or self.fix) and not self.isSmall then}} with {{code|if (self.talk or self.fix) then}}.
# Replace the block of {{code|if ... end}} starting with {{code|if talkTitle and talkTitle.exists then}} with the following:<source lang=lua>
			if talkTitle and talkTitle.exists then
                local talkText
                if self.isSmall then
                    local talkLink = talkArgIsTalkPage and talk or (talkTitle.prefixedText .. '#' .. talk)
                    talkText = string.format('([[%s|talk]])', talkLink)
                else
                    talkText = 'Relevant discussion may be found on'
                    if talkArgIsTalkPage then
                        talkText = string.format(
                            '%s [[%s|%s]].',
                            talkText,
                            talk,
                            talkTitle.prefixedText
                        )
                    else
                        talkText = string.format(
                            '%s the [[%s#%s|talk page]].',
                            talkText,
                            talkTitle.prefixedText,
                            talk
                        )
                    end
                end
				self.talk = talkText
			end
</source>

The result should be that a small version of the talk page is generated as a single parenthesized link. Feel free to change it if you feel that's not the best presentation.--[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria]][[User talk:Artoria2e5|2e5]] <small style="font-weight:lighter">[[Special:Contributions/Artoria2e5|🌉]]</small> 05:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)